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The next Doctor Who is female: good idea?  

hotfun_1966 57M
247 posts
7/17/2017 7:22 pm
The next Doctor Who is female: good idea?

Sunday afternoon, following Roger Federer's record 8th men's singles title at Wimbledon, the BBC used a video trailer to announce to the world who will replace 12th Doctor Peter Capaldi as the alien Time Lord in Doctor Who: Jodie Whittaker.

Whittaker is well known in the U.K. for her roles in two St. Trinian's films, as well as 2011's Attack the Block, where she starred opposite future "Finn" John Boyega.

American TV viewers know her from ITV/BBC America drama Broadchurch, starring opposite 10th Doctor David Tennant and working for Who's new showrunner, Chris Chibnall. She also starred as CIA agent Sandy Grimes in the 2014 ABC mini-series The Assets, based on the true story of Aldrich Ames, arrested in 1994 for spying for the USSR.

Opinion is greatly mixed on why now for a female Doctor. Season 36/Series 10 ratings have been the worst since the 2005 reboot, around 4-6 million per episode in the U.K. Negative opinions are about 1/4 to 1/3 of the comments so far. Can the BBC afford to lose 1.7-2 million viewers per week to "political correctness gone mad" and the SJWs? Interesting that they did not reveal her to a live studio audience the way Capaldi and Matt Smith were introduced. Did they want to avoid a plethora of boos and hisses?!?!?

So now it's time to have your say: Do you agree with the choice of Jodie Whittaker to be the 13th Doctor?
Yes! It's about bloody time!!!!!
No way! What will his granddaughter Susan call him now?????
Doctor What?!?!?
I wanted Kris Marshall!!!!!
Bring back David Tennant or Matt Smith!!!!!


hotfun_1966 57M
3677 posts
7/17/2017 7:24 pm

Jodie Whittaker: "She is The Doctor, whether you like it or not!" -- Colin Baker, 6th Doctor


Heathen_G 65M
7974 posts
7/17/2017 7:41 pm

Do you agree with the choice of Jodie Whittaker to be the 13th Doctor? .... No. Quite lame to do this. Britain is full of pussified feminist embracers anyway, but there is such a thing as going to far with the nonsense. Look what happened here, now we have President Trump, due to the feminist clucking about wanting Hilary.


Heathen_G 65M
7974 posts
7/17/2017 8:20 pm

    Quoting  :

Actually I give the Republican females a pat on the back, and a thanks.


hotfun_1966 57M
3677 posts
7/17/2017 9:29 pm

    Quoting Heathen_G:
    Do you agree with the choice of Jodie Whittaker to be the 13th Doctor? .... No. Quite lame to do this. Britain is full of pussified feminist embracers anyway, but there is such a thing as going to far with the nonsense. Look what happened here, now we have President Trump, due to the feminist clucking about wanting Hilary.
I agree with most of your statement.

The SJWs (Social Justice Warriors) have pushed things too far. Fascinating that we had female starship Captains in Trek since 1986, but no female Doctor until 2017.

Feminists swooning over HRC had very little to with Trump winning. She was a severely flawed person, even more so than Trump.


hotfun_1966 57M
3677 posts
7/17/2017 9:37 pm

    Quoting  :

I would say just as intelligent as the Doctor, but in different ways.

Sarah Jane Smith was a well polished wordsmith, but not so much in science and mathematics. Susan (the granddaughter) comes closest. Rose, Donna, Martha, and Amy were all brilliant in their own ways. Clara, of course, was the impossible girl. And Madame Vastra and Jenny of course are the supposed inspiration for Holmes and Watson. And then we have River Song/Melody Pond...


CeriosEros 39M
642 posts
7/17/2017 9:38 pm

I think the 13th doctor's darker tone didn't go far enough. That's why the ratings were slipping. It's was just meh with Peter. If you're going to go dark go dark. As for the first female doctor I don't mind it but it doesn't seem right. It seems less like a natural thing and more like pandering.


hotfun_1966 57M
3677 posts
7/17/2017 9:40 pm

    Quoting  :

Republicans did NOT steal the election. Remember, the Electoral College was added to the Constitution to protect against the "tyranny of the popular vote".

The only reason HRC won the popular vote was because 5 million votes were cast in California by illegal aliens not entitled to vote in federal elections.


hotfun_1966 57M
3677 posts
7/17/2017 9:47 pm

    Quoting CeriosEros:
    I think the 13th doctor's darker tone didn't go far enough. That's why the ratings were slipping. It's was just meh with Peter. If you're going to go dark go dark. As for the first female doctor I don't mind it but it doesn't seem right. It seems less like a natural thing and more like pandering.
Peter I though was too dark, especially his first season. He was using Hartnell and Pertwee as his primary influences.

Steven Moffat (the outgoing showrunner) was paving the way for a female Doctor to happen for the past three seasons, first with Missy/The Master, then with the Gallifrey General regenerating from a white man into a black woman, and now we go from old and grey to young and dyed blonde. And people seem surprised!

I hope Chibnall and his writers write for the Doctor and keep out all the SJW crap.


hotfun_1966 57M
3677 posts
7/17/2017 9:53 pm

    Quoting LocalBI4u:
    Started Watching the show in 1975. Long running Doctor Tom Baker was the Doctor. I feel that once you pick a sex for the Doctor you should stick with it. The Only reason to make this drastic of a change is Ratings. Some of the Feel good, touchy feely lets all get along people think, Gee how nice that would be. Oh, I'm sure that can pull it off and how everyone will like the new Doctor. BUT the REAL DOCTOR WHO fans, the ones that know the show from way back will not want to look up the Doctor's Dress. Somethings were just not meant to happen.
Pertwee and Tom Baker were my first Doctors when our local PBS station picked up the original show in the early 1970s, long before PBS nationally aired it.

The sex change possibility was alluded to during Tom's time in the TARDIS, but it was very rare. Gimmicky, yes indeed. Ratings boost? That is the £64M Question.

We will get a male again for 14th Doctor, in 2020 or 2021. In the meantime, I think 13th Doctor will be wearing pants and slacks more than skirts and dresses.


Heathen_G 65M
7974 posts
7/17/2017 11:29 pm

    Quoting hotfun_1966:
    I agree with most of your statement.

    The SJWs (Social Justice Warriors) have pushed things too far. Fascinating that we had female starship Captains in Trek since 1986, but no female Doctor until 2017.

    Feminists swooning over HRC had very little to with Trump winning. She was a severely flawed person, even more so than Trump.
Fascinating that we had female starship Captains in Trek since 1986, ... and Janeway was huge mistake for Star Trek.

When the S.T. TNG advertised it's first showing, I intuitively knew compared to Kirks Star Trek, the TNG Star Trek was going to be fairly gay and politically correct. I was right.

So I think your Doctor Who casters are making a mistake, too.


hotfun_1966 57M
3677 posts
7/17/2017 11:46 pm

    Quoting Heathen_G:
    Fascinating that we had female starship Captains in Trek since 1986, ... and Janeway was huge mistake for Star Trek.

    When the S.T. TNG advertised it's first showing, I intuitively knew compared to Kirks Star Trek, the TNG Star Trek was going to be fairly gay and politically correct. I was right.

    So I think your Doctor Who casters are making a mistake, too.
It's true. Madge Sinclair captained one of the starships who lost all electrical power when the probe struck in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.

I don't think Janeway was as much of a mistake as Archer when it came to Trek Captains. The creators of Enterprise ignored canon big time. And we think JJ messed up the Trek universe... lol

Because TNG was syndicated, Roddenberry was able to do the stories he wanted to do without a network breathing down his neck or worrying how a particular region or age group would react to certain scenes (i.e. the interracial kiss in "Plato's Stepchildren"), and Berman kept that going through the end of the series after Roddenberry's death.

Personally, I was hoping for a return of Tennant or Smith, from that line that 4th Doctor said about revisiting favorite faces in the DW 50th anniversary episode. If Chibnall can keep the SJW stuff out of the scripts and write for The Doctor, it will go much better.

IMHO, of course.


trisha_ann_glynn 51T
1982 posts
7/18/2017 12:47 am

I remember Tom Baker playing the part when I was in elementary school.
I was not a fan, a few "doctors" later, I was still not a fan.
Same with that series Space:1999 I just never got into it.
The 2005 "re-boot" was a red flag. Re-boot is code word for fuck-up.
There was nothing to re-boot. They change doctors every few years.
When David Tennant got the title and I watched every episode.
They switched him out for that bleached mannequin David Smith.
And then Peter Capaldi somebody.
I lost interest, it is the person playing the role that amplifies the story.
I will give Jodi Whittaker a look, and let you know.


hotfun_1966 57M
3677 posts
7/18/2017 3:09 pm

    Quoting trisha_ann_glynn:
    I remember Tom Baker playing the part when I was in elementary school.
    I was not a fan, a few "doctors" later, I was still not a fan.
    Same with that series Space:1999 I just never got into it.
    The 2005 "re-boot" was a red flag. Re-boot is code word for fuck-up.
    There was nothing to re-boot. They change doctors every few years.
    When David Tennant got the title and I watched every episode.
    They switched him out for that bleached mannequin David Smith.
    And then Peter Capaldi somebody.
    I lost interest, it is the person playing the role that amplifies the story.
    I will give Jodi Whittaker a look, and let you know.
Space: 1999 was too weird for most people to get, but it did provide UHF stations a cheaper alternative to Trek back in Trek's syndication dominance.

You're correct, technically DW is not a re-boot, since it continues the Doctor's timeline through from the final classic season and attempt to revive it as a series in 1996. But it is a re-boot as you characterize it because BBC fucked up in cancelling it in the first place.

Matt Smith, a bleached mannequin? Please! People gave him crap for being younger that 5th Doctor Peter Davison. Matt is the real reason DW finally took hold in North America. He and his companions (and even Moffat) actually worked the North American conventions and fan events. BBC America helped fund the two episodes at the start of Season 32/Series 6 where they actuallly filmed parts of the episodes in the U.S., and now has a permanent co-funding arrangement with BBC Wales.

Peter Capaldi was old school DW. From Hartnall's irascibility to Pertwee's coat lining, to Eccleston's sturdy footwear, he was no nonsense, and people used to Tennant and Smith forgot the true nature of the Doctor underneath their exuberance.

I am anxious to see how Chibnall and the writers write for Jodie Whittaker. If they write her as The Doctor, without the SJW stuff, it should go well. Otherwise, we'll have a disaster worse than Season 26. IMHO, of course.


hotfun_1966 57M
3677 posts
7/20/2017 12:00 pm

Thanks to every one who has voted and commented so far! Please keep them cumming!


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